Wednesday, November 23, 2016

A look at: The Ontario Disability Supports Program

When it comes to people living with disabilities I am sure you will agree that we all have the right to get married or start a relationship without penalty. Sadly here in the Province of Ontario our Government has policies in place that actually end up punishing people with disabilities for getting married or for just living with someone they are in a relationship with. These policies govern the Ontario Disability Supports Program which was originally created to help those with disabilities in need of income support. The issue we are addressing today is their treatment of spousal earnings and the negative affect this is having on the lives of people with disabilities like me who currently rely on income support from the Ontario Disability Supports Program. 

Here are the facts:


1) Spousal earnings are clawed back under current ODSP regulations. This forces non-disabled or working spouses to assume the full financial responsibility of the person with a disability. A result of ODSP benefit payments being made on behalf of families rather than individuals. Structuring the benefit unit in this way has many negative consequences for people who receive ODSP. As this ends up “stigmatizing and robs recipients of their dignity and control of their own lives.” As you can see the current system penalizes those who live with a spouse and prevents many from forming new relationships that would be beneficial to their health and well being. 

2) Once Spousal earnings are clawed back many see their income support reduced by 50-60% each and every month. Resulting in many seeing their income support eligibility drop drastically from $1688 to only $800 of income support per month. As you can see in many cases, the treatment of spousal earnings ensures that families cannot earn enough income to escape poverty. This burden compromises the independence of people with disabilities and also weakens the capacity of the family unit overall to achieve and maintain an adequate standard of living. Especially with the cost of living in Ontario being so high. 

The Ontario Government has just two options:

  1) Update current unfair treatment of spousal earnings by allowing us to keep more of our income support. This can be done by allowing non-disabled/working spouses of those receiving income support from ODSP to earn $400 a month before seeing their disabled spouse’s income support reduced. (Instead of the current allowance of just $200 which is simply too low.Then if the non-disabled working spouse earns more than $400 a month, only 25 per cent of their net earnings over $400 would be deducted from their disabled spouse’s income support payment. (The current practice of clawing back 50 per cent is simply too high.This much-needed update to the treatment of spousal earnings would be a step in the right direction allowing those of us with disabilities who are unable to work the ability to properly contribute to our households. This should be implemented right away due to the increasing costs faced by those of us with disabilities living in the province of Ontario. 

2) The Province of Ontario should seriously consider adding Spousal earnings to the list of "exempt" forms of income. The current practice of clawing back 50 per cent of spousal earnings is ruining the lives of those who have no other choice but to rely on the income support provide though ODSP. The time is now to make the Province of Ontario a place that allows people with disabilities who are on ODSP to equally contribute and be involved in every aspect of their relationship even when it comes to finances. With the cost of living in the Province of Ontario already being so high the reality is that couples do need two incomes just to survive. Especially couples who face the extra costs that come along when one or both spouses are living with a disability. Therefore Spousal earnings need to be added to the list of "exempt" forms of income. After all, just recently child support payments were finally added to the list.

What people are saying about the treatment of spousal earnings by the Ontario Disability Supports Program:


"This is truly INSANE, can't believe how this system appears to work. I knew it had problems, but this is worse than I thought. We appear to be going backwards with social programs not advancing.Ontario government please find a heart!"

"I can tell you while I was married, this put a great deal of stress on the household that eventually ended our marriage."

"I am applaud, how can a person like me enjoy life with a person that has accepted me for who I am. Now when she see's this, she's not going to want to marry me!"

"This can lead to a person in an abusive marriage having no way to leave."

"I went on ODSP 4 years ago at that time I was happily married for 16 years and enjoyed life, I am now separated living in a room. I am getting worse instead of better." 

"I am reading about this literally a week from moving in with my girlfriend and her daughter.. I was overjoyed! As overjoyed as a person suffering from depression and several sleeping disorders, and deemed unfit to work could likely ever be. I was starting a family. Now all I feel is a knot in my stomach"

"This article has left me in tears. Finally I feel like I am not the only one who seems to see things as they are. My exact thoughts and words have been voiced."

"We all need to come together and fight these ridiculous "rules" that we're all getting screwed by. I'm totally committed to figuring all this out for everyone in need!"

 "I wish everyone would join the fight to fix this very very broken system."

There is no doubt that something needs to change!


Related Posts:
Time for Change with ODSP & it's treatment of spousal Earning,
The unfortunate result of suffering a work-related injury with a disability,
Spouses of those on ODSP forbidden from having RRSP &
My thought's on Ontario's Basic Income Pilot Project

Please sign the Petition for much needed change by clicking below!


 IMPORTANT: If you are currently receiving ODSP and are planning to marry or are in a common law relationship please call your local ODSP office. This is the best way for you to confirm how this might impact your income support.

Parts of this blog post contains information from the ODSP Action Coalition's report entitled "Dignity, Adequacy, Inclusion: Rethinking the Ontario Disability Support Program"

94 comments:

  1. It is truly disgusting , and so wrong

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    1. it's ok.. you know when someone with a gun shows up in Ottawa and they wonder how a person could do such a horrible thing. Maybe they ought to consider how badly messed up that persons life is because of regulations created in Ottawa.... But you will never see anything more than 'that's a crazy person' in the news. forget any facts or history that brought that person to the end they faced and why. Thought Why was part of the journalism questions who what when where WHY and how? but I could be wrong....

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  2. Even though this is not surprising, it makes one thoroughly angry!

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  3. This is a disgrace and another example of indifferent, callous government bureaucracies pinching pennies on the backside of the truly needy & deserving!

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    1. hi brad i am abhinav a 29 year old patient of beckers muscular dystrophy from india i am deeply inspired my your blog but in india none of the public places are wheelchair accessible ther are no ramps to go to my office my taxi driver has to pick me up to put meinto the vehicle it is very painful my social life is confined to my house i want to emigrate to canada as your govt supports people like us can you provide me any help in this regard

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    2. They would never let you in as your disability would be seen as a burden to the system. I found out about this immigration law thru a recent news story.

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  4. It also can lead to a person in an abusive marriage having no way to leave. It would be interesting to look at the rates of abuse among society as those with lower incomes are perceived to have a higher incidence as well as those with disabilities . Let us be honest pariahs often seek out the weak and meek why give them the added ability to keep abusing and confine but making our weaker and meeker even poorer after they have been found.

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    1. I knew a couple. The husband refused to provide any information about his income to ODSP, because he felt it wasn't their business and that he wasn't on ODSP, so why should he report? His wife was threatened with being cut off, and they split up because of this. The wife killed herself after she felt that ODSP was accusing her of some of fraud (which turned out nothing was wrong), but the ex spouse was angry at all of this.

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  5. Try being a Thalidomide person living on Federal Disability and married....NO financial help (as in 0 %) towards prescriptions at all, unlike your Ont. Disability......so best to not complain about it, I think........

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    1. No actually I think it is best to complain as both situations stink. The Thalidomide case stinks worse though. That's half the problem with us Canadians. We don't complain nearly enough when we should. The government and its workers line their pockets at our expense. Five thousand dollars a month for a disability worker and only twelve hundred for the disabled. Tell me whats wrong with this picture?

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    2. I always find it surprising and sad when I see people who are struggling---such as yourself---rather than uniting with others who are also struggly, turn on them instead, stating that they have it worse, so others should stop complaining.

      You need to stop this---and joing others who are struggling to provide a united front. You will never help yourself or others, by attacking fellow strugglers!

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    3. What begs the question: Where is the forum to complain?
      This does not seem to be newsworthy.
      If if was about Gay rights or Black lives matter, then it would be all over the news.
      Is the ODSP regulations which shows significant mistreatment of people with disablilities not newsworthy?
      Come on Canada,
      Come on Ontario.
      This is not the third world.
      Treat your disabled people better than you do now!
      Shame in you.

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  6. I just think if here in Ontario they are going to offer income support to those with disabilities that it should at least be set up not to punish people simply because they get married. I'm greatful for a program like ODSP it not only covers any prescriptions I need it also covers my wife as well even though she doesn't have a disability. I wish your Fedral Disability covered that for you but like all of these social program there not all perfect. Here in Ontario it wouldn't take much to improve the program we just need to elect a Provincial Government who cares. Anyways thanks for the comment!

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    1. jennifer and family williamsburg ontarioOctober 29, 2012 at 3:58 PM

      As a recipient on odsp I can tell you that not all my perscriptions are covered, and I am unable to assertain the section 8 as they call it, if I cannot afford the medication I dont take it, therfor my children suffer, if I pay for the medication and take it, therfor my children suffer, I am a single parent with disabilites, and have three children, and they are all disablied, and I do not understand why the govt is taking away ssah at age 18 we are required to care for the disabiled children well and through adoult hood to death, I am unable to have any household repairs done on our home, which is the only home we have and will have, why is odsp not making yearly updates to sustain my families home, for the mortgage is less than the three or four bedroom rental, also I am carrying children inthrough doorways, and placing them back into chairs, we have two exit doors and we are unable to acces the home with chairs.
      thanks for fighting

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    2. I get what you feel. ODSP covers most of my drugs but both my son and I have disabilities. I have a medication that is $170 a month fir me and another $120 a month fir him that are not covered. I'm in school trying to better myself and was hounded for months as they sought a loop hole to not having to exempt any meager employment earnings I have - yet I'm not eligible for OSAP. Acsd may not cover my sons meds but he has to have them - hes 10 and they help his heart palpitations. The worst part is everyone is worried about spousal income but what about child support which is deducted dollar for dollar and meant to give extra help to parents. Hmmm some extra help when it's taken from me - a single Mon with a child with special needs. No parents period deserve this. No kids, no person - period. I wish everyone would join the fight to fix this very very broken system.

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  7. I think I read somewhere, that 90% of people on ODSP are single due to their atrocious rules...
    it's very discriminatory...the whole system of ODSP is based on a USA welfare model, so anyone on it, is stigmatized just like a welfare recipient, nobody cares, VOTE ABC (anyone but conservative) but don't McGuinty a 3rd chance,
    he's toast. but the NDP are in fine fighting form!!

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  8. I am one of the spouses. As a result of having to work nearly 80 hours a week, getting not even fifteen cents on the dollar (as self-employment is also punished on ODSP), and my husband only gets a small amount. I get no sick pay, no vacation, no time off, nothing. In fact, in the past few years, I have become even more disabled to the point I would likely be eligible myself, though I choose to keep working. I will never retire as well because of this, as I had to spend down my RRSP before my spouse was eligible to receive ODSP. What HIS disability has to do with ME is baffling. The government should give him funding, as well as for the kids, and leave ME out of it - period. Also, as a self-employed SPOUSE, did you know I still have to follow all the ridiculous rules set out by ODSP as well? Such as not being able to hire a staff person, so I have to work 90 hours a week to make fifteen cents on the dollar ... it makes me angry too, it hurts from both sides. Let's fight this.

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    1. This is truly INSANE, can't believe how this system appears to work. I knew it had problems, but this is worse than I thought. We appear to be going backwards with social programs not advancing.Ontario government please find a heart!

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    2. This is truly INSANE, can't believe how this system appears to work. I knew it had problems, but this is worse than I thought. We appear to be going backwards with social programs not advancing.Ontario government please find a heart!

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    4. I am on Odsp. I am in agreement with you. My spouse ( married Dec 2015) thought everything would be OK financially. At the time he was ok with having to support my son and me. He only makes 12.00 an hour, and routinely works 50 hours a week to keep the bills paid.
      After a few months of seeing his income barely able to cover all our living expenses, he is feeling resentful.
      I feel it is so unfair to penalize us.
      I am disabled, why should my family not be entitled to the benefit of two incomes, as there would be if I wasn't disabled.
      My marriage will not survive the financial stress. I have so much guilt in all of this, all I'm asking for is the dignity to financially help provide for my family

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  9. Brad - My Becker's StoryJune 23, 2011 at 8:39 PM

    Thank you for sharing a bit about your story the affects of the stupid rules that govern ODSP! I just wish more people would join us in this fight! I really wish our families would get more involved in this as well! Sadly with out large numbers of people fighting for change were just going to lose this battle! A few years ago I told a doctor that my wife who doesn't have a disability was covered by ODSP for prescriptions and she was shocked! It seems People don't know a thing about ODSP even doctors they just treat it like it welfare but it's not. And it is so sad that so many people seem to not care about this and the Media doesn't want to expose this at all. Sometime's I think no one really cares! I've sent this very article to the star and other papers in the area and never hear anything back! I think it would help us a lot to expose the truth about ODSP and how it puts un-needed stress on the marriage and the kids of those on ODSP! Please share my story share my link even send it to your local newspapers and MPP's send in your story as well! My wife shouldn't be punished for marrying me and I shouldn't be punished for having a disability and being on ODSP!

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    1. Actually, as a recipient myself, I made a comment to my worker once that being in receipt of ODSP benefits is just like being on welfare. Her reply was that ever since they put it under the same umbrella as Ontario Works, that it essentially IS welfare now. My comment stemmed from a complaint I had regarding my trying to find employment that offered flexibility with an end goal to get off ODSP.

      By the way, I inquired if they had ANY kind of program to help people like myself, (capable of working but needing an employer who could provide some flexibility that would allow me to regulate my disability). I had to ask four workers before anyone could even answer, and when I finally found someone who thought she'd heard of a program, she advised me the next day was her last day, so did I have anything else other than the application that she could help me with? I have since enrolled in that program. It's been over a year and they have connected me with a couple of clients who provide occasional freelance work, but nothing that would provide regular, employment to sustain me enough to get away from ODSP.

      Furthermore, I've since heard that the reason no workers knew about the employment program was because the office that used to handle it, based out of Hamilton, was shut down and the responsibility to learn about the employment program was put on the workers to do on their own time with no incentives to do so. So of course no one is going to put in the extra time, particularly when they're already overloaded and experiencing frequent turnovers in staffing.

      And as far as this article goes, I can tell you while I was married, the financial stress that was caused by my partner who was also disabled but not a recipient, put a great deal of stress in the household that eventually escalated to violence and ended our marriage and a very bad environment for a child to be in. Since then, for those very reasons, I am reluctant to enter into a relationship. I've had to take in a border to help me pay the rent, for which money is deducted from my cheque each month, but it does allow me a little extra cash so that I can buy my child hot lunches at school, allow him to have friends over for dinner, lets him go to birthday parties, etc. These small but ever accumulating expenses still hurt financially, but without the border, I wouldn't be able to provide my 10 year old with half of that by the time I pay the rent and utilities.

      One final complaint, if I may; my disability has a whole aspect of it that can greatly be helped by coaching/cognitive/counseling therapies. Drugs are covered, but none of the above mentioned resources. The medications are covered, (though some have not been, so I have not taken them), and some have had nasty side effects that literally made me sick. In trying to access some alternative therapies to help me cope and reduce meds, I have ON MY OWN been learning and trying various things - some that help, some not so much - and have relayed my findings and progress to my doctor. As a result, I have managed to get some meds reduced, and off a couple completely, but it has been at no credit to the so called program. It's a long, slow process full of trial and error, and it's a solo process and some days I think it'd be wonderful to have a partner to be able to work through things with.

      We should definitely fight for that freedom, because having someone who cares about you to lean on now and again would be very helpful in the struggle. But in the meantime, while we yell on deaf ears, we also need to draw strength from our anger and try what we can to get through each day, month, year. We may very well wither away if we just yell and wait for the Ontario government to make changes that actually help us. ODSP keeps me afloat, but it's evident that if I ever want to thrive and live with any kind of dignity, it's totally on me...single and alone in it.

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    2. Just from the way this is set up it seems to me that the Ontario government doesn't want people with disabilities to have a spouse, get married and have kids in the hope that there will be less disabled people in the future to support. Truly disgusting, I am now ashamed to call this place my home. I hoped to marry my native girlfriend this year, she has several undiagnosed disabilities and we were both thrilled when she got accepted for ODSP. That happiness quickly faded when her first check came in the mail..$433 bucks for basic needs with her $250 rent cost noticably absent. What a crock of shit.

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  10. What do the disabled do when they reach 60 and ODSP comes to an end? The gov't started the RDSP prog. but not every disabled person or her/his family can afford to set one up. ???

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  11. Brad from the My Becker's Story blogJuly 20, 2011 at 10:31 AM

    Your so right the RDSP is a bit of a joke especially for those who can afford to make contributions! And if you are like me and on ODSP it is impossible to have the extra funds to make a contribution. The RDSP only benefits people with disabilities who have family members such as their parent who are able to make contributions for them. The worst thing about the RDSP is that you can only access it when you turn 65 many people could benefit from it at age 55. When you think about it an RDSP only benefits those with the extra money to put into it mainly those we consider to be rich again in Ontario people on ODSP are getting screwed over.

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  12. I couldn't get an RDSP for my husband; he, like 85% of others with disabilities does not qualify for the Disability Tax Credit, so neither of us will be able to afford to retire. I am sincerely going to have to work until I am in the ground.

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  13. Is there any coalition that is presently working on this issue? I would love to be a part of that.
    Please advise...cdriskell333@gmail.com
    Thank-you...Cheryl

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  14. Join the odsp action coalition

    email browne2002ca@yahoo.com

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  15. I myself am upauld, how can a person like me enjoy life(keeping my disabilty aside), with a person that has accepted me for who I am. Now when she see's this, she's not going to want to marry me!

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    1. Toby I am working hard on this! I hope you know I am fighting for change. You comment only helps to make people aware of the Ontario Governments unfair treatement of people married on ODSP. I plan to on day meet my local MPP about this its time for this issue to be corrected. Please send an e-mail to Dalton McGuinty and your local MPP. They read them I plan to fight hard to bring more exposure to this situation. I am working on a new blog post about this! Stay strong!

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    2. Brad Iam 48 yrs old, diagnosed 7 years with MS
      Work as hard as I can as many hours my body can handle as a waitress in a fast paced restaurant where I have worked for 18 yrs.I'm single and own my home with a very little mortgage left.The mere thought of having to depend on ODSP horrifies me to no end.My Dr. tells me that I have this disease because of the region I live in ,the air I breath and the water I drink and so on.This is no fault of mine that I have this and yet the govt will dictate to me how I will live???? I work on days that I can barely lift myself out of bed to avoid ODSP as long as I can..

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    3. I went on odsp 4 years ago at that time I was happily married for 16 years and enjoyed life I am now separated living in a room. I am getting worse instead of better. my legs hardly work my bowls are shutting down and my doctor say's its depression I wont be here to see any changes in the system. I guess I will enjoy the free burial

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  16. Brad, keep in touch with us on your work on this issue. I am trying hard to fight for change, but I am exhausted from having to work in self employed too many hours because I can't hire a worker to assist me, and I had a mini stroke which is preventing me from being fully active.

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    1. Stay tuned I have a new blog post coming this Monday with a call to everyone to raise awareness about this issue and demand change to policies that punish people who marry while on ODSP. It isn't right and it's affecting us in a negative way. I just hope more people get behind this, after all we are only asking for is fair treatment of people with disabilities who rely on income support thru ODSP. Thank you for the support!

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    2. Hi the Advocate you may want to read my latest post "Sometime you have to stand up for what is right" Its another attempt to make people aware of the truth and how it is time to change policies that are hurting those who rely on ODSP.

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    3. Hi Brad
      I am just reading your posts.
      Seems like not much as changed with ODSP since 2012.
      I wonder if we could set up a large conference on our issues, have people attend and invite the press.

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    4. Yes not much has changed and with the Basic Income Pilot they are doing will run for three years I believe then they we see what the results are. This will happen in only three Ontario communities. I am crossing my fingers that it will happen in mine. Change is need now and the MPP's really don't care. It is truly unfair.

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  17. I've read everyone comments and I agree with the majority of it if not all of it. I am on ODSP and want to marry and knowing that I am limited really upsets me as I am already limited in my quality of life.

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  18. My wife was told she doesn't even qualify for ODSP because I make too much money. I only make about $30,000 a year, so it's not like I'm rich or even have a job that pays real well. My wife and I are also expecting our first child in about five months. We're not sure how we're going to be able to afford food and clothing for three, never mind a place a to live, on my meager salary. How can they argue I make too much when it's not enough to support my family?

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    1. I'm a single mom with a 10 year old. $30,000 is huge money compared to ODSP. Last year, I supported my son and I on approximately $18,000, and that included sporadic self-employment income which gets reported monthly to ODSP. I'm sorry for you....it's a horrible realization to find yourself in this position.

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  19. Hey all,

    My husband and I just recently got married!! Exciting for any "normal" couple who isn't on ODSP. My husband has Becker's Muscular Dystrophy also and I have been diagonosed with Multiple Sclerosis (which puts the icing on the cake). We've been married for 3 months and we've run into so many problems to fight getting a decent pay for my husband. There have been so many issus with ODSP that have come up that I don't understand how that would make a differance to my husband's pay. Like what does my retirment fund have to do with my husband?

    We all need to come together and fight these rediculous "rules" that we're all getting screwed by. I'm totally committed to figuring all this out for everyone in need!

    *Cathy

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    1. Cathy, you like me, are not allowed to retire. I had to deplete ALL of my retirement savings, and now I will have nothing but the leftovers the public pensions system provides, leaving me no choice but to work until I am in the ground. Simply because ODSP does not want to pay my husband benefits to which he is entitled, and instead diverting the same to wealthy people's tax cuts.

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  20. The question is, what do we do to change this? We need to work together to find solutions. Merely discussing the injustice of it is valid but disheartening. For those who have a good understanding of the system, what can we as the people do? After all, if it weren't for the people, there would be no government because who would they govern? Who would provide all the services required to keep our standard of living up and running? The extremely small minority running our country is nothing without us, which therefore puts us in the driver's seat if we can work together and stand up for our rights.

    Problem is, most of us are either too tired, too scared or too uninformed to do much about anything. I think we need to start looking at ways to take care of each other. The less we need to rely on the system, the better for us.

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    1. And the thing is..its not just with ODSP, there is alot of things not okay with our system !!! :(

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    2. I thunk its time for a public meeting where we air our issues and invite the press

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  21. I am very sad to see that a person on ODSP cannot have a relationship 'as married' without being penalized. I am in love with an ODSP recipient. I accept his limitations but I cannot expect him to be dependent on me and have his standard of living decline as well as his self-confidence. He must live a lonely life and 'survive' rather than share life as sharing life with me means a much lower standard of living compared to his present life. I feel robbed of a loving relationship.

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    1. This may be stating the obvious, but it applies to a common-law relationship as well. Not just marriage.

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  22. For those that want to fight this, please ...please email me at browne2002ca@yahoo.com

    I have been meeting with MPPs, and have my own MPP taking my case to the Minister, and likely next, the legislature. As self employed, more than 100% of my income is taken off my husband's ODSP, and I have become sick ... very sick. My house is falling apart, and I am not able to be home much, because ODSP thinks I am super woman and could run ALL aspects of my business without any help, never mind I already had a stroke last year, and now take a ton of meds to keep me from having another one. We ALL need to meet with our MPPS to ask them some basic questions.

    Why does the income I earn from my business affect my husband's income? He is not an officer, director or even an employee of this business ... he does nothing to make the business grow. Yet in MY business, I am not allowed to hire staff, so I have to handle all work that I can bill nobody for, and is necessary to keep the business in operation, while in my "spare time", I can do billable work... that means, never being home, never having a day off, never taking time off for being sick ... yep, I did have to work when I had a 104 degree fever and was throwing up all over the place, because I am not allowed to hire somebody to do my job for me, and if I take time anyways, my mortgage doesn't get paid and I risk losing my house.

    I am frankly at the end of my rope with this contraption known as the McGuinty government. If any of you know a lawyer who might want to take on this case, let us know.

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  23. My husband and I are both on ODSP and our relationship is strained enough due to our disabilities but not having enough money to make ends meet each month only adds more stress. I agree spouses should NOT have to support their disabled loved one and each disabled person should each have their own individual cheques so they can LIVE!

    Anything I can do to support a hopeful change please let me know.

    Kathy

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  24. I have fallen in love and am on ODSP my boyfriend owns his own small company that just covers HIS bills I love him and we want to marry but cant. I do NOT want to be a liability I want to be an asset. But because I am disabled what I have been told my whole life is true. I am a strain on the system and now on the man i love. I guess if enough ODSP recipients kill themselves over lonliness will anything happen So I pretent to live in a house as a border and SHACK up which is really against what I believe in. But I AM IN LOVE. And he accepts me for who am I but he also cannot afford to support me. Does this mean I am alone all my life. Yet my daughter who is gay can have any girl on her check who is not disabled and get an extra 700 dollars a month. Now that changes if the girl works but she never recieves less then her 1100 dollars

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  25. Heres a quick question.....if you apply for odsp (with doctor authority)and are denied and are forced into work and further injure yourself is it poss to sue to govt. Maybe that would make them stand up and pay attenion.

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  26. The rates that are given for ODSP are not enough to live on. I am an ODSP client with a child and after rent I am left with $200 a month to support me and a child.
    People on ODSP are here because we have to be not because we want to be. The ONT Gov needs to step up and fix this prob.

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  27. good blog and want to add, sorry but this is how i feel and it's true most people on odsp are lazy slobs who made themselves obese and cry foul cause they can't get their fat ass off the couch to work and earn their own way, or they're baby makers who just screw any guy to plop out a kid to get more money I've seen enoughof these fat slobs on the sidewalks in their scooters chain smoking as they laugh at otheres who work for their money and who pays for the scooters that these lazy chain smoking fat slobs get? hard working tax payers that's who!

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    1. MGuinty, I am glad you took the time to share your feelings about people who rely on ODSP for income support. As with any program there will unfortunately always be those who may aim to abuse the system, I am sure no one will deny this. That being said only a small percentage of people on ODSP might be overweight but many people without disabilities face issues with maintain a healthy weight and they work full-time jobs and don’t rely on ODSP. Also some medical conditions can cause people with disabilities to gain weight, take muscular dystrophy for example some of us have to use steroids as they are the only thing that can be used to help us maintain muscle mass and strength and one of the side effects is weight gain.
      As far as most people on ODSP being lazy that is simply not true, many of us do our best to find suitable employment, even some who have university educations and some employer are simply unable to overlook our disability even if we are fully qualified for the position they are offering. For some reason they are scared off by the fact we use wheel chairs or need certain accommodations. Plenty of us wish to find jobs but if some employers are not even willing to even give us a chance it’s very hard for us to make a living. I know plenty of people on ODSP who aren’t having baby after baby so they can get more money, that myth usually only applies to Ontario Works and as many of us already know that program sees a lot of fraud and abuse. It is true that some people know how to work the system but it is sad that some people think that most people on ODSP are lazy.

      Unfortunately many hard worker tax payers across Ontario seem to get ODSP confused with OW (Ontario Works) which is often referred to as welfare. OW is a completely different social program which was created for those who are supposed to be temporarily out of work. Now I am sure we can all agree that OW does see a lot of abuse and many people who are on OW are fully capable of working. There is no doubt that this system needs a complete overhaul. Truth is many of us on ODSP want to work and don’t drink or smoke and are not lazy, the biggest problem we face is employers who still looks down on people with disabilities and instead of focusing on their abilities they focus on the fact that they have a disability and refuse to even hire them. This is why such a large number of people with physical disabilities rely on income support from ODSP. As a society we need to start giving those who rely on ODSP a fair opportunity when it comes to gaining employment until then it will be very hard to reduce the number of people with disabilities who are on ODSP.

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    2. No offense, but I work in a medical office, and I see QUITE a bit of abuse of ODSP. The majority of the people that come into our office crying the blues wanting to be approved for ODSP, are simply transiting from OW to ODSP at the request of OW. So, they go from one messed up system to another. I myself, have had 3 spinal surgeries,live in pain all the time, and yet, still manage to go to work full time. Why don't I apply? Hmmm, because I actually have a husband that works, and makes a good living, and I would get $0.00 because of it. What does that have to do with anything? If I stop working due to my own illness, we are out $2100.00 per month...so, because I want our son to have a future, a great education, I have to work.... Bottom line is this, the system is totally abused, people cry "depression" and boom, approved, meanwhile, they are living with a partner (just not claiming it) working under the table for cash, and if you see them out on check day (and I have seen many a patient) you would think that they were king of the hill...practically hopping with joy! and you wonder why the working class is bitter? just saying..... and for the record, I would rather work with a disability, then sit at home and complain for a living. This by no means is directed to the ACTUAL DISABLED PERSON, for those (few) I think that you are getting a rotten deal with this system

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    3. No offence taken. It is true that there are those out there who take advantage of the system. OW was created to be temporary source of income for those out of work. There is no doubt that OW is highly abused. I have heard of people on OW trying there hardest to get on ODSP. But I don't believe that OW would suggest people apply for ODSP, if so that is wrong. It is sad that the people who abuse both programs give those who truly need the support a bad name. I really can't understand how any one would feel like the king of the hill with the small amount they are receiving. But like you say if they are working under the table then it's just extra money. I say if you know of someone who works under the table and then report them. The other issue with ODSP is the fact that those who truly need it and want to work are unable to secure jobs as some employers are still reluctant to hire people with disabilities. I know many who went to college and are unable to find a job because the employer is unable to get past the fact that they are in a wheelchair. Many people would rather work with a disability and most are just waiting for an employer to give them an opportunity. At this point in time some employers need to be better educated on workers with disabilities. I think the working class is bitter because they stereotype people who are on OW & ODSP. What they need to understand is there are those who abuse they system but there are those out there who truly need the support. Many people on ODSP would love to work but there are issues that cause barriers to employment. Employers who discriminate, inaccessible businesses, lack of proper snow removal in the winter just look at the city sidewalks in the winter and imagine someone in a wheelchair or using a cane using that sidewalk. I am most familiar with physical disabilities myself so as far as depression or mental impairments being covered by ODSP I don't know what barriers they face when it comes to employment. In the end the system needs to find a way to make sure people are not abusing OW or ODSP. I am sure you agree that there are people out there who truly need the support and the working class needs to stop having a stereotypical view of people who rely on either program. It appears to me that you already understand this. this.

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    4. As a person who suffers from chronic depression and bipolar impairment, I can see why people would say I am not entitled to receive ODSP. The barriers I face, when it comes employment is probably me, but after suffering these mental impairments since I was a child, the physical and mental abuse I received from my mother and grandmother has stopped me from getting and keeping a job, Before receiving ODSP and the counselling I am getting, I was a basket case. I tried suicide a few times without success. Without ODSP, I would be died right now.

      Yes, I believe ODSP needs a lot of changes and upgrades. I'[m not saying I live a better life. I barely makes ends meet with the money I receive, but the system pays for my medication, it helps me with counseling, it pays my rent and it keeps me alive. I am not sponging off the system. I am not a lazy, fat slob, receiving money from the government. I am just a person that can't work because of my mental impairments. Mental illness is real. It's not my imagination. Many people tried to tell me it would get better, but it doesn't without the support of ODSP.

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    5. People with mental disorders definitely get plunked into this stereotype. I myself have been a recipient for bipolar and ADD. It took a long time to find an employer who recognized that I was capable of working, though sometimes it needed to come home with me in order to "make up time" as sometimes, via awareness and self-assessment training, I'd recognize that if I didn't remove myself to somewhere where I could implement learned cognitive therapies, that I would spiral out of control and become useless. By being able to take work home, I could practice the therapies I'd been taught, regain control, then settle back into my work. But as I said, it's very difficult to find an employer/employment that provides that kind of flexibility. It took a very long time to be able to establish a trusting relationship like that with my employer. They are far and few between. Before this employer, I never held a job for more than a maximum of two years, sometimes only a couple of months, before I'd have an "episode". I didn't have the training or knowledge to recognize it coming on. And once I did, I didn't have the freedom to remove myself and practice the techniques that help to stop it. So the end result would be an episode, even a minor one, that would instantly kill my credibility and any reputation of professionalism I had maintained up to that point, and suddenly I'd be looking for another job.

      Physical disabilities can be seen and people, though they may act uncomfortable, generally are more forgiving and patient. With a mental disorder, no one can see the struggle. And if you're fortunate enough to receive some training on how to manage/regulate/recognize your behaviour, people don't see it, even though you're still struggling despite you're composed appearance.

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  28. This article has left me in tears. Finally I feel like I am not the only one who seems to see things as they are. My exact thoughts and words have been voiced. It is a sad world when others as well as myself feel ashamed to admit that they rely on odsp to live, because we are all lumped up as lazy, system abusing baby makers by "hard working tax payers". I used to be on the other side of that fence, but have always seen the difference between freeloaders and genuine people who need it. I loathe being guilty by association, it's unfair. Speaking of things being unfair, the main reason for my comment. Once you have been approved for odsp you basically have sold your soul. You will remain under the thumb of the government and will never see happiness unless you are willing to give up everything. I am faced with a few disabilities, mental and physical. While I am on odsp trying to find a miracle job that works with my issues I must raise my child alone even though her father and I wish to be married and live together. I am practically forced into that horrible stigma of being a single young mother on assistance, due to untimely and unlucky circumstances I have been faced with. It is a sick world we live in with even sicker people, by that I mean how we as odsp recipients are treated and seen by the other hard workers of society. I've been told "my tax dollars pay for you to sit on your ass and do nothing" it hurts more than that ignorant s.o.b. even knows. Something needs to be done indefinitely to make odsp more reasonable for real people. I wouldn't know where to begin, but I am full of experience, opinion and ideas and I also have a lot more to say on this matter! - A.M.

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    1. Just as you started out your reply to The Beckers Story, I too have been sitting here in almost tears. The only reason I have not broken into full tears is because my son is sitting in livingroom and hate crying in front of people. Every thing you said is exactly how I feel too. I have been on ODSP for 2 yr. I am 45 yrs old. I was with the father of my kids for 18 yrs and was a housewife most of the time. I had a few cash jobs and got back into the work force 6 yrs before we separated. I feel so humiliated now about being on ODSP because of what you have described also how "hard working tax payers" describe me. I come from a fairly well off family and they are all workers and always have been. I am now the complete black sheep of the family due to my "lazyness". I don't feel at all I am a freeloader and I spend my money on what I am suppose to spend it on. If I was to get into a relationship I would be embarassed to tell him that if we were to marry than he would have to support me. If I were to marry a man on a minimum wage job, how will he be able to support me too? I agree with this whole thing and I hope to see this law change soon.

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  29. I think that people should reserve judgements of others. Try living in another persons body for awhile, or at very least, get to know someone with a disability before you paint every one with the same brush. Many people would love to be able to work. Who would want to live with the stigma attached to government programs? Calling people lazy because they physically or mentally cannot work is wrong, besides, who decided that a persons worth is based on their earning potential? This is what I hate about capitalism. I am able to work and am lucky enough to have a job. I am thankful for this. If so called hard working people were truly thankful for their blessings then there wouldn't be any name calling because they would understand that their tax dollars are supporting other peoples lives and well being. ODSP is a good concept but needs revamping for all the previously mentioned issues. I was involved with a man living with muscular dystrophy. There is no way he would marry me and have me foot the bills since I am also a single mom. The rules and regulations of ODSP makes people with disabilities feel estranged from society because rules are incongruent with reality. The stringent rules add to feelings of inadequacy in people because they are subjected to impoverishment. There should be no separation of people who work and people unable to. We are all people just struggling to survive.

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  30. People who say ODSP clients are lazy and fat need to have an eye poked out or have one of there kids lose an arm or a leg. Atatudes like this is why we are suffering. I am blind and am more then willing to work so I decided to go through employement support. The people at the assigned agency got me a job 2 hours away from my house. So I am blind and they want me to travel 2 hours. Hmmm.. And then we wonder why we are being treated so badly by regular people?. If the ODSP workers don't understand our situation and pain then how can we expect a totally healthy person to understand? I tried to tell my worker in Mississauga Ontario about this and she told me " Employement support is not going to find you a job you find one and they will tell them you are blind and we can help with any supports". I am going to be married soon too and you would think this would be a happy moment in my life but instead I am getting ready to lose my ODSP because if you marry a non disabled person your partner must work and as a result I lose money from my cheque. To make a change we need to make a public appearance everyday until we can see something is being done to help us. I have been reading online and from some sites it says ODSP might be combined with Ontario works? that is crazy. I have already found out the hard way that community startup is no longer offered by ODSP but instead we have to go through Ontario works. I tried this process and the lady and Ontario works made it seem like I am trying to scam Ontario works to pay my rent. As one of the posts above said killing our selves seems like the only option when we hit rock bottom as a disabled person, but this is not a good atatude to have. We should go and talk to our workers find out if they are doing there jobs right if not we should work twards getting them fired and replaced with people who cares. Oh and a side note about employement support They will get a job for you for as long as they get there money $6000. They get paid because a blind or disabled person got a job. Hmmm I did not make close to that in my job but the agency which got me the job got paid more then I did in the 6 months period. Life is not fair and the Government is not fair so as humans we should be treated with respect but in the cruel world these days if you are disabled you are garbage. I have been applying for jobs for 6 years and not 1 place has called me back. Who wants a blind person to work for them?. But as a sign of hope I want you all to know I am Working twards opening a business where I am only going to hire disabled people and I will not hire any normal people.

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  31. I am really glad to see that i am not the only one with this bullshit happening to them.... I am a disabled guy that finally found someone that loves me for me and now disability is telling her she has to sell her stuff because she has to many assets to be with me... they are also telling me that because she receives CHILD SUPPORT that it will be taken off my check dollar for dollar.. so i lose my whole check.. what kind of bullshit scam are they up to pulling crap like this..... I never choose to be disabled! but i sure am being punished for it...so the rich stay rich and the families that are trying there hardest just to make it get fucked!!!

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  32. To just a few of the commentors here:

    I always find it surprising and sad when I read about people who are struggling---and rather than uniting with others who are also struggling, they instead turn on them. They make statements such as, "I have it worse, so others should stop complaining".

    To these people, I say, "You really need to stop this!" Please join with others who are struggling, in order to provide a united front. You will never help yourself, by attacking your fellow citizens who are also struggling!

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  33. I am on ODSP, and I don't even get near the $1000 mark

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  34. i had a brain injury i only get like 295 from odsp and cpp so i get all of maybe 1000 bucks a month i have worked hard all my life i am only 31 in may but its hard to pay rent and eat thank god for my brother that we have apartment togther but come on..just cuz i hit my head really hard and had a brain injury..oh well thank god that i have family

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    1. It is true if family is there to help it can make all the difference. Let's hope things improve with odsp over the next few years.

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  35. Has any of this changed? I make around $1150 a month and was counting on my fiance's ODSP to get us a house or apartment so we didnt have to keep spending all our time at her parents. I was hoping she'd at least keep $300. I don't want to ruin her life by marrying her ;_;

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    1. It has improved a little but I would suggest speaking with someone at a local odsp office to see what will exactly happen. She may be able to keep more than $300 a month. With you making around just $1150 a month it shouldn't be that bad. Wish you both all the best :-)

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  36. wow reading all this truly makes me sick to my stomach!!!!!!! so if someone on ODSP the other person works owns a home ect, they want to move in together and automatically that hard working home owner is financially responsible for you?? People on ODSP already feel lower then low because they get looked down upon for being on it, I can only imagine how low they must feel when they fall in-love and want to move in with someone and get their money cut a big amount because the other person makes in their books too much money, now they feel like a burden. Guess they think "Oh well you fell in-love with a disabled person moved them in their your problem now" WTF is wrong with this government!!!!!!!

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    1. Feel the same Way people on ODSP I'll Will be fighting for are rights Not just For the money but for us human heights

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  37. I have been working full time since I was 18 years old and going to night school to get my last high school credit to graduate. I worked part time before this and have never ask for help from anyone. When I turned 20 I became very sick and found out I had Crohn's disease. I have now had 3 bowel resection surgery's and I am not any better. I haven't eaten in public in over 17 years, I only eat if I am at home. I also only eat one meal every 24 to 30 hours because when i eat I am very sick and in alot of pain afterwards. I have been suffering with this while working full time for 19 years now. Just recently my health is getting even worse due to that I have crushed two disk in my spine, and have polymyalgia so my muscles are in constant pain. I was still continuing to work so that I would not be a burden to anyone. Now I have had to stop working as my body is just not working right. I am married and have three kids. I never in my life would have ever thought I would want any help of any kind or money from anyone, but know I am scared to lose everything because of a disease that I have no control over. I understand about the abuse thing and the government really need to crack down on this. Why would a couple on Welfare work if they can get money not working or if one of them decides to work then money will be taken away from them. But for us that want to work and can't it is a different story, l loved working, I loved making money, having things for my kids, being around others it was why I only missed 10 sick days in over 9 years of working even though some days I could barely stand because of the pain i was in. I am trying for help with the ODSP because I am only taking two of the six prescriptions that I should be taking because I can't afford them. I to was shocked when they told me that because I am married and he works that I might not qualify. I never asked to be sick and if I could be healthy tomorrow I would be but that is just not the case. I would trade someone a hard days work over a day of needles, pills, pain, test, doctor's appointment, hospital trips and tears.I have been to over 65 medical appointments in less then 2 years and still have a whole bunch more to go.

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  38. I GUESS DISABLED PPL ARENT SUPPOSE TO MARRY OR HAVE ANYONE IN THEIR LIVES

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  39. i used to live in ontario & i moved to nova scotia...what a mistake! i thought i had it rough back there but here, it is unbelievable! i just learned that in Ont you can earn 500 a month with a part time job before they take from you....here you're allowed to make only $130! then they take pretty much the rest of it away....we only get, now, roughly $700 a month...rent & the basic 200 & so $ for "living expenses" {{joke}}.... i find that people on a disability pension are denied many normal Canadian rights, things other ppl take for granted that we can't possibly have in our lives....just for one thing, it's very, very difficult to buy anyone a birthday or Xmas gift! owning a car??? do i need elaborate? even paying for a phone (which should be covered b/c of Doctors)....but the biggest thing about this province that is wrong is, i transferred from the ODSP to here, where i thought i was on disability but i have only recently found out i am on welfare...why? they have no disability program here! something is dreadfully, dreadfully wrong! oh, & about being on ODSP & being married...i always figured the money i was getting was b/c i could NOT go out & work anymore so it was to benefit me or replace (a portion) of what i would have been getting paid....what does my spouse have to do with that!? all families need a 2 person income now-a-days, so why punish us b/c we want to live with someone we love! & for all the workers that we have to deal with...why do they always make it seem like the money we are asking for/allowed, is coming out of their own pocket???? disgusting...the whole program, here there & everywhere!

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  40. I have a question I am under my husbands ODSP I am trying to get my own ODSP and in the process of fighting for it my question is if I do not get ODSP and something happens to my husband do I loose the income for my self and our children do we end up on the street what happens to us can someone please let me know what would happened I appreciate all answers

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  41. Thanks for this blog, I am the mother in law of a person with Beckers....My opinion is that the entire system the supposedly supports people with disabilities in Canada is designed to put them in a position not only on second class citizens, but to discourage them to enjoy life..a quote from Dickens's Scrooge comes to mind "I have been forced to support the establishments I have mentioned through taxation and God knows they cost more than they're worth. Those who are badly off must go there. Many would rather die than go there. If they'd rather die, then they had better do it and decrease the surplus population." It seems to me that THIS has been the attitude of Ontarians since the early 90's...Few seem to care that while corporate bail outs to the tune of millions, and sunshine lists touting exorbitant salaries for directors and workers alike take the biggest chunk of monies set aside for the poor, the needy, the disabled, with little return on the social investment of our tax dollars. When the powers that be decree that you can't get assisted living if you have a spouse and a child, simply because it's an affront to society that a disabled person should actually have a normal life and wish to have a family, before their illness cause the deterioration to the point of being unable to be cared for by their spouse...

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  42. There is a legal challenge going on right now.
    lettslaw.ca/odsp
    my paralegal office at
    legaladvocacy.ca
    is also involved both of us in a legal challenge against the rules set by odsp against those who are married or living common law, leaving the disabled person without income of their own and endangering them under s. 7 of the charter, leaving them more vulnerable to economic, social and domestic abuse

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    1. it's heartbreaking.


      I have a disability that makes it hard for me to walk and I can't stand for along period of time. also because of my disability my back is messed up badly which leave my legs and back in chronic pain.


      I have been with my high school sweetheart for almost 11 years now. but we can't live together and we can't get married. it's soul crush and because of this I now fight with depression and a daily bases.


      it makes me sick. yes I know we could live together and get married. but then besides not having enough money to live. I become her dependent.... I'm a 28 year old man not a child that is degrading and humiliating.


      I once called my caseworker to look into getting a cane. because it is getting harder for me to get around as time goes on. I called her on a Monday. Friday she calls me, I told her everything. she told me ," if it's not $200 or more we can't help you, and a cane is not $200". then hung the phone up on me without her saying anything or me being able to get one word in. needless to say I never called again because of her rudeness


      now I read some people complaining that us on ODSP shouldn't be whining about this.


      sure I'm lucky to be able to work on some of my passions. I've been writing movie reviews for the past 6 years and last year I started working on youtube videos. but there isn't a long line of people wanting to pay me to do this stuff I love doing. I'd love to make a career out of this and get off the odsp program. so instead of fighting against me then support my work. and get me a step closer to a happy life


      I know your not supposed to bite the hand that feeds. but for love I would bite, chew and swallow for love.


      in the end shouldn't everyone have the right to be happy?

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    2. Hi I just found this site and read most of the threads. I sit hear feeling the same as most of you. I am 55 years old woman. I have MS since 2000 and some other health issues. I have been on ODSP for 10 years. I had to move 5 years ago and found a apartment on a second floor of a house because the rent is affordable. I received a letter 5 years ago from ODSP wanting to review my case. They said if I can walk up the stairs to my apartment (12 steps) I should be able to work. ODSP said I do not qualify any more and was going to be cut off. I went to the MS Society and my specialist and received a letter explaining my health is deteriorating and I will not get better. I was so scare I was going to be homeless I became very depressed and high anxiety. After a couple months worrying and becoming sicker I was approved by ODSP.

      I met someone that has spent some time with me. My worker sent a letter and I had to go in for a interview. She said someone called her saying I was living with someone which I was not. However I would like to live with a partner. My worker said if a man moves in with me and makes $1500 a month I would be cut off. So that would be NO Meds coverage or dental. I am doomed to be alone. I can not expect someone to be responsible for me financially. I need help with things as I have physical limitations. I am very lonely and wish I could have a live in relationship.

      If someone does qualify for a disability assistance ODSP, then why does it matter if the disable person has someone giving them company, helping with chores, or maybe have money to eat?

      I really feel it is wrong to ask a new relationship to support me...I will always be alone...I feel bummed out.

      And yes everyone does deserve to be happy

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  43. how would it work if the female is on ODSP and the male is one OW, and want to move into gether lor get married, how would that work? He is fighting for ODSP, and she is already on ODSP, would they put him on her ODSP well he fights? and would they lose money, she gets 1057 n he gets a whole 500. Thanks

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  44. I'm on odsp and feel so abused by the system. I lie and say I live alone. cause if I say I live with my girl friend they will cut me off. And my girl friend says if I don't pay her my share of the rent and food and other bills then I have to move out. She cant afford to take care of me. I need to pull my own weight.
    I just want a normal life and to have a loved one to share it with. I need more support then just money and I cant live and survive with out breaking the law and lying to odsp.
    I feel ashamed about all this. I feel controlled and destined to live alone and have a poor life because no one is attracted to having to take full financial responsibility for someone they meet on disability. And why should they. If I was lucky enough to have a great job and everything else I would NEVER DATE ANYONE ON ODSP CAUSE ITS NOT RIGHT THAT I WOOULD HAVE TO TAKE FULL CARE OF THEM after only living together for 3 months. I wouldn't even give them a chance cause I know falling in love with someone on ODSP would mean a poorer life for me.
    So how can I who is on disability expect someone to take care of me.

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  45. I use to be on this joke of a program intill I had a baby and moved out. You think being honest with these bastards would make them apperciate you being honest and try to help you out but instead you get punished for having a commen law spouse, husband, wife, A LIFE! they said my husband makes too much money. So now we have one income and struggling to make due. We have been having issues with these "people" for a year now. My case worker who barely speaks a word of english would loose our things that we would fax on time and my caseworker would also change my address so I wouldnt even recieve my benefits card that I should be getting on or off this "program" not to mention shes threatend us and I called her manager telling the manager what happend. The next thing you know my case worker is cballing me with a whole complete different attitude and saying she magically found our stuff that we faxed in and that I will recieve X amount of income within the next day or so. Than every other month it would be the same thing again. Little to no contact no returned phone calls. And does anyone else notice that these caseworkers are always away from their desk? Like they are being paid to do what? Talk in the lunch room? This is the way it is anyways for me in the GTA. I recieved a letter from them in the mail the other day saying my accounts been cancelled. I was furious. I called up the manager and said I have a desease. I can't work. I feel like I'm being punished for having a life and I was nothing but honest. I reminded them that I have bills to pay and a baby and how are we suppose to do that all on one income? Than I reminded the manager how much my case worker lacks in communicating with me and looses my faxed things all the time. And than I said ever since I got cut off you people have made my life a living hell. Thanks a lot. And I hung up. It was the answering machine of course because once again these people seem to always be in a meeting or away from the phone. Maybe a meeting to talk about what to order for lunch or away from the phone because there in the washroom. Who the hell knows. So anyone considering going on this mickey mouse program becareful. Just lie to them. They don't care about us so why should we treat them with respect and tell them the truth? I hope karma comes back to these asshats one day very soon.

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  46. Some really good points here.

    Ironically people who are in relationships or married are generally happier, and that goes towards assistance and recovery.

    Another observation - while the US is not known for it's benevolence, a disabled person that I know is married, wife working, and gets significantly more than I do. They are providing compensation to manage the disability, not penalizing the family.

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  47. I am reading about this literally a week from moving in with my girlfriend and her daughter.. I was overjoyed! As overjoyed as a person suffering from depression and several sleeping disorders, and deemed unfit to work could likely ever be. I was starting a family.

    Now all I feel is a knot in my stomach and a strong urge to jump in front of a car. This is absolutely heartless!

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    1. I must let you know that things are slowly improving, they recently changed their treatment of child support and as of January 1st it will no longer be used to reduce income support, this has me very hopeful that they may soon do the same when it comes to the treatment of spousal earnings. Please remain hopeful, also stay in contact with your worker to make sure you are getting all you are entitled to, if you have special diet requirements please apply to receive the special diet allowance which can help.

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    2. hello my name is Joshua spur Sparling I am overwhelmed but I read about those couples that got divorced because of Ontario Disability program because of finances I sent an email To the House of Commonsus to Justin Trudeau the prime minister of Canada I am disgusted other country I live in we save those who are in danger of Crossfire and we bring those people to our country so that they are safe warm comfortable I am not racist or races or saying I'm a communist I am a Canadian citizen and I'm sick and tired means or human rights are not being heard Justin Trudeau I voted for you aren't you the prime minister of Canada do something about that Ontario Disability Support Program care for your Canadian citizens stop helping other countries that can't help themselves too many Canadiens are living in poverty it is year 2017 when is things going to start changing If not all go wear they Go believe in Jesus and as I know what still happens today people get crucified nailed on the cross Cause don't want to live on this discriminate Canada that I am born and raised I will leave If everyone stays selfish ... do your job right it's is unstable for us to feel this way help us or I'm done. Thank you my number is (226)226-0110 I'm on you side that is going though this bye

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    3. hello my name is Joshua spur Sparling I am overwhelmed but I read about those couples that got divorced because of Ontario Disability program because of finances I sent an email To the House of Commonsus to Justin Trudeau the prime minister of Canada I am disgusted other country I live in we save those who are in danger of Crossfire and we bring those people to our country so that they are safe warm comfortable I am not racist or races or saying I'm a communist I am a Canadian citizen and I'm sick and tired means or human rights are not being heard Justin Trudeau I voted for you aren't you the prime minister of Canada do something about that Ontario Disability Support Program care for your Canadian citizens stop helping other countries that can't help themselves too many Canadiens are living in poverty it is year 2017 when is things going to start changing If not all go wear they Go believe in Jesus and as I know what still happens today people get crucified nailed on the cross Cause don't want to live on this discriminate Canada that I am born and raised I will leave If everyone stays selfish ... do your job right it's is unstable for us to feel this way help us or I'm done. Thank you my number is (226)226-0110 I'm on you side that is going though this bye

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  48. Before coming across the advice on http://Prophetakeem.webs.com/ my marriage was in serious danger of heading towards divorce. Now we are in a better place than we ever were before! I feel very lucky and blessed that we were able to turn our marriage around like this. My husband used to spend as much time as he could away from home. Now we are so in love and its funny now he had to go away for the week we have been talking on the phone every day. We can't wait to see each other again! If you want to stop your divorce, you totally can!! Don't give up on love!

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  49. I am terrified. I am unfit to work because of my diagnosed mental health issues, have learning disabilities and I am still reeling from my experience with an abusive boss. My psychiatrist (that I'm still followed by at the hospital for what's been years now) has said it's in my best interest to not be working right now. The thing is my husband earns less than 33k, we live in a city and have a daughter. Because of his income I don't think we qualify so I will have to work. I'm so close to having a complete breakdown because we cannot do this financially on one income. This is not a life I can live

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  50. I wonder, how does it apply for those who are in a relationship, living together, but unmarried? Perhaps I should get a paper divorce and see how that works. Or, has anyone tried a lawyer to fight this? I am my own person and would like to be treated as such. Talk about taking away a person's autonomy.

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  51. I can't get a date anymore. I am on odsp not something I wanted to be on..I live in pain do to an operation I had to keep me alive..so I can't work anymore...being a man women don't want a poor man on odsp...so I haven't had a woman in years...It is brutal...I live alone, poor, and no friends or possibility of a girlfriend...I have money to do nothing...can't even afford cable anymore...makes you want to just off yourself.

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